Curse

nitetime · Mar 29, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Now wait a minute...The price of ecto, or any crafting material for that matter, would drop due to a surplus in the GW economy. Meaning that players are selling ectos back to the merchants to achieve this surplus? However, with current fall in prices wouldnt players stop selling their ectos back to merchants?

Maybe if there isnt enough merchant turnover, anet is actually lowering prices to reduce the number of rare crafting materials ingame.

stickyballs · Mar 29, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

From what we saw in the preview of Factions, ectos didn't have an immediate place, and the "Droks" equivalent armor looks as good or better than the FoW stuff. Who needs ectos anymore?

The Drok's equilavent looks nice and all. But Sentinel's armor: nice looking armor, but at least Req. 13 Strength?!

Some of the new armors have decent stats and look nice enough, but FoW has a nice looking version of Glad's and Ascalon, which I didn't see in FPE.

MSecorsky · Mar 29, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by nitetime

Now wait a minute...The price of ecto, or any crafting material for that matter, would drop due to a surplus in the GW economy. Meaning that players are selling ectos back to the merchants to achieve this surplus? However, with current fall in prices wouldnt players stop selling their ectos back to merchants?

No. Don't want them anymore, don't need them, sell them. I got mine for free, sale at any price is a profit.

MSecorsky · Mar 29, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by stickyballs

The Drok's equilavent looks nice and all. But Sentinel's armor: nice looking armor, but at least Req. 13 Strength?!

Some of the new armors have decent stats and look nice enough, but FoW has a nice looking version of Glad's and Ascalon, which I didn't see in FPE.

We didn't see a LOT in the FPE.

Trippy · Mar 29, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

ooow good old days where ecto was 3k... /dreams

stickyballs · Mar 29, 2006, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

We didn't see a LOT in the FPE.

True, but we saw as far the 15k armor guy, and both Kurzick and Luxon sides. Also saw the armors useable by a PvP character. I'm sure there will be a few more, but judging by the amount in Prophecies, I'm sure there won't be that many more.

Fantomvz · Mar 29, 2006, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

Oh! I take it all back. You're a Chinese entrepreneur. Sorry for not making the distinction. Now that I go back and read your post I see a lot about market windows and value propositions, etc.

P.S. I still think you farm gold and sell it on eBay.

ahah I am not if I should take that as compliment or…

But If I do have the capital, I will definite invest China, due to it’s 40% under exchange rate “YUAN”, and as well as the low cost labors.

As the both Chinese economy and military has exceptional growth, it does have become a challenge to U.S. leading position. But should we use China as our benefit instead fearing it?

mattjones527 · Mar 29, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

If I get to trade in faction for rare crafting materials I will be pvping alot more than I ever have before.

Thats what ive been thinking too since the factions beta. I wonder if thats anets way of pulling more pve players into pvp. Perhaps its even a way to get pvp players interested into pve, since it could theoreticly be possible to get the high end armor through almost completely doing pvp.

Fantomvz, thank you for showing what seems to be the exact source from where you got your information from. However I would just like to point out that lecture notes are not exactly a reliable source. Although it is a .edu address, lecture notes are based on the opinion of the individual and are generally not cross checked with others in the field. Also since the notes do not have a publisher/copyright they can be changed by the professor at will. Although the information may be correct, unless it is cross checked and published I prefer not to take it as fact.

J3mo · Mar 29, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Fantomvz

The price is dropping are because most extreme gamers already got the FoW armors.
And most smart players release how suck the GW is compare with other games.
And most Adult players sick with play a game with 3 years old. (Due to no monthly fee)

Therefore prices are dropping, and it will keep dropping, even if you can ban all farmers.
And I have to tell you, most farmers are in U.S., Europe, Korean, Japan and Taiwan since GW is not officially released in the China yet. (Assuming Taiwan is not part of China)

In any games or products there is a market window, as newly develop game’s market window got shorter and shorter. Anet are stupid enough to release their lame faction, which content only few new skill, 10+ new weapons, 10+ new armors and most of them all with old concept of area, better little better and different graphic. And surprisingly that company survives till now.

In Conclusion:
The game has exceeded its market window, and it is dieing!
And stop bitching about the price, it really getting too old.

I think i saw you ingame...
Yourname was Killer the Master
You were spamming in LA
WTB: Live 100K (which you obviously bought on eBay)

EternalTempest · Mar 30, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by nitetime

Now wait a minute...The price of ecto, or any crafting material for that matter, would drop due to a surplus in the GW economy. Meaning that players are selling ectos back to the merchants to achieve this surplus? However, with current fall in prices wouldnt players stop selling their ectos back to merchants?

Maybe if there isnt enough merchant turnover, anet is actually lowering prices to reduce the number of rare crafting materials ingame.

I think the big things is what people said in this thread:

New "Fow" Armor in factions do not use ecto / shards
People are in "save" mode due to factions coming out
Factions armor looks much cooler then fow
They added another "drop" are for materials in ToAK

Aka demand is down, and there is way to much supply.

Even though as pointed out that a game can lose players over time (they move on) I do not think this is affecting price directly nor is GW dieing as quick as he makes it out to be.

Minus Sign · Mar 30, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Guys, guys. Leave the china-bot farming/flaming troll alone.

look; supply decreases demand. We have only ourselves to blame. Once there were only a few UW farmers out there. Now, thanks to sites like Guru giving builds out to all, any tom Dick and Chung-Li can throw on a build, burn a few plat learning it and start to farm.

We make it easier, more people do it. More people farming Ectos means more ectos ont he market. Pretty soon the people who were farming for theri armor are farming for money. they can't find a decent buyer so they move on to the trader and take a little less each time they sell their ectos and prices drop even further.

It's simple economics. What do you want GW to do about it? Nerf bot-farmers. I'd love to see a bot farmer actually make it to the spiders; now that'd be a feat, yes?

Ban the sweat-shoppers. Ok; how are you going to be able to tell when its a sweatshopper and when its just a really good farmer whose stocking his guild up with ectos so they can get their FoW?

Better still (and I haven't seen this one on this thread, but I have seen it!) is to reduce the overall drops to a certain cap, so if a lot of people are farming ectos, only a few of them will actually get one. Well, this will certainly increase the price...as those with ectos begin hording. Again, the already rich become even richer and the poor get the shaft.

Personnally, etcos lost their value for me the first day I learned about 100k+ecto items. they're just a means for people to price-hike other itmes. I'm glad they're going down.

stickyballs · Mar 30, 2006, 12:42 AM // 00:42

True dat, Minus sign. So many people complaining about the goddamn "Chinese" farmers, when these could be very well our own American people farming! They don't talk when they come into Drok's?! Well, I don't really talk to people when I come in to a town after farming. I just unload my items and go back out. Sure, there ARE Chinese farmers, but how can you prove they are Chinese? Hell, my friend made the name "Wu Li Yang" as a joke and made a Mo/W w/ Tats dyed blue. He doesn't 55 HP Monk and always changes his secondary before PvP, but when he goes to Drok's to sell something, guess what? People yelling "n00b chinese farmer, go back to goddamn china!" and other offensive things like that.

Sorafolktale · Mar 30, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

Well i think ectos are going to be stable after Factions goes out.
But what really bothers me now is: the "new fow" factions armor will not use sapphires and rubies ? f**k ... then for what they'll be used ?
and another one : if the equivalent for ecto / shard , really will be jade / amber, how a pve only player will get high end armor, its just no-sense to force a player that maybe dont like pvp to do it for the armor.
Anyone have a clue for sapphires/rubies ???
It'll be a lame if they're not for high-end stuff, since their fixed value is 250g against 100g of ecto/shard, and they're much more hard to drop then ecto/shard.

96TSi · Mar 30, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

I dont see how people are saying Ectos are dropping for good. ectos like all trader items fluctuate. if anyone remembers just last week the trader was selling them for 8.5k. 3 weeks ago they were going for 6.5-7k(depends what time of day you clicked request quote)

traders are a stock market. up then down then up then down then up then down then up then down then up then down etc..

Lord Iowerth · Mar 30, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

I could code an ecto "Ticker" much like the stock market tickers you see floating around on the web ... only thing that's stopped me is that bit in the EULA about not modifying the client

ah well.

As long as we're speculating, I believe the ecto price will trend lower just before (and during) the release of Factions, and remain lower than it has been in the past. People will want the new armors, new weapons, etc. causing a lack of demand in ecto/shards from sellers ... and as a result: more farmers selling ecto back to the trader.

Eclair · Mar 30, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by stickyballs

The Drok's equilavent looks nice and all. But Sentinel's armor: nice looking armor, but at least Req. 13 Strength?!

Some of the new armors have decent stats and look nice enough, but FoW has a nice looking version of Glad's and Ascalon, which I didn't see in FPE.

From the FPE, it would seem that you'd be able to purchase any of the armor sets in ANY of the new skins, depending on which faction you buy it from. So the Kurzick's warrior armors will all look like the Sentinel armor, but you can get gladiators' or any of the other armor's stats on them.

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Originally Posted by Sorafolktale

Well i think ectos are going to be stable after Factions goes out.
But what really bothers me now is: the "new fow" factions armor will not use sapphires and rubies ? f**k ... then for what they'll be used ?
and another one : if the equivalent for ecto / shard , really will be jade / amber, how a pve only player will get high end armor, its just no-sense to force a player that maybe dont like pvp to do it for the armor.
Anyone have a clue for sapphires/rubies ???
It'll be a lame if they're not for high-end stuff, since their fixed value is 250g against 100g of ecto/shard, and they're much more hard to drop then ecto/shard.

There are a LOT of quests you do that give you something like 500-1000 faction reward per completion, not to mention in the FPE, there were a lot of REPEATABLE quests outside of towns that gave 500 faction. There was this one that could easily be done in 5-7 minutes that gave 2000 exp and 500 faction to everyone in the party, and you can do that as much as you want...^^

Sagius Truthbarron · Mar 30, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Even if Ecto and Shards both dropped to 1k each, wouldn't it still cost like 305k + 15k per armor peice? I don't think it will get too low, people will always be buying them.

Only reason why they are dropping is becuase people like you guys are selling out

dreamhunk · Mar 30, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by thunderpower

I was planning to start a thread on this, good thing somone else did. Back in the day, i said "if ectos drop to 5.5k, i`ll buy a fow armor for my ele". Now, it would be the time, but I changed my mind.

Anyway, it's funny. All those ss/sv and 55 monks farming ectos when a warrior or ranger can easily solo farm shards.

IMO shard farming is a bigger money maker than ecto farming (considering the current prices). You can get 3-7 shards in one run (that should take no longer than 30-40 min). With the 50/50 system i doubt you get 2-3 ectos/farmer (making it 4-6 ectos in 1 run for the team).

Also chest are much more available in FoW than in UW.

The price of ectos might also be dropping because of ToPK. Say whatever you want, but it's another place where ectos drop. So even if it's not a good ecto source, it still increases the number of ectos in the economy. Also ToPK ectos are "cheaper" ectos than UW ones since you don't need to pay to go there.

I think you are byuss, I would have to disagree with you. All anet has to do is add more in game content and people would be happy. People are holding off for the new fow armor coming. The price drops is a good thing. it means that people can afford to get runes and all the fun stuff they wanted.

Loviatar · Mar 30, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Sorafolktale

But what really bothers me now is: the "new fow" factions armor will not use sapphires and rubies ? f**k ... then for what they'll be used ?
.

could you give me a link to the official source that ruled them out?

Minus Sign · Mar 30, 2006, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by Lord Iowerth

I could code an ecto "Ticker" much like the stock market tickers you see floating around on the web ... only thing that's stopped me is that bit in the EULA about not modifying the client

ah well.

As long as we're speculating, I believe the ecto price will trend lower just before (and during) the release of Factions, and remain lower than it has been in the past. People will want the new armors, new weapons, etc. causing a lack of demand in ecto/shards from sellers ... and as a result: more farmers selling ecto back to the trader.

I don't see a spike unless ectos see recurring use in other chapters. The easiest way to stabilize a market is to flood it with more goods. Demand for the new goods starts high and drops. Look at TVs. Plasma is the rage right now, with LCD and prices are high. When it becomes easier to make them, prices drop and more people buy them. then fewer people want them. Whats the solution? Do we make TVs a disposible item? Sorta. We come out with the next "latest greatest" television and again, people rush out to buy it...at a higher markup.

Instead of TVs, GW gets weapons and armor. You don't need anything but Droks style equipment and a couple weapons on a level with yakslapper (and in its price range). certain builds may suggest more, but anything else is something of a luxury.

Still, some people insist that these items are a necessity, making it sound like owning a Plasma television is their constitutional right and congress (in this case Anet) should make it easy for all to buy.

Come on now. Think about what you're asking when you think this way. Asking Anet for a price stabilizer on Ectos is like asking congress to get Wal-Mart to give you an even trade when you take your old box-style television into their store and demand your shiny new plasma. Even trade, old for new.

Nope. Sorry; if you want the next uber item, you'll have farm the next uber farm. Just like everyone else